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[RISOLTO]synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: giovedì 21 ottobre 2010, 1:12
da danialbi77
non so perche ma da stamattina non riesco piu a far partire synaptic dal menu sistema-amministrazione....
mi dice avvio dell'applicazione,ma quando dovrebbe partire lo schermo ha come un inpulso ma non succede nulla....
da terminale con sudo synaptic parte regolarmente......pero' mi da questo messaggio:

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daniele@daniele-desktop ~ $ sudo  synaptic

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Read Markings...'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Save Markings'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Save Markings _As...'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Quit'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Undo'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Redo'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Search...'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Reload Package Information'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Add CD-ROM...'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Mark All Upgrades...'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'A_pply Marked Changes'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'U_nmark'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Installation'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for R_einstallation'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Upgrade'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Removal'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for Co_mplete Removal'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Properties'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Filters'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Contents'

(synaptic:4891): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_About'

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: giovedì 21 ottobre 2010, 1:32
da giulianom89
mah non sò prova a reinstallare synaptic

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: giovedì 21 ottobre 2010, 5:46
da yves
Che repositori hai attivi? controlla in "Sistema -> Amministrazione -> Sorgenti software -> Altro", fai uno screen della finestra.

Hai modificato/cambiato il tema del desktop? Hai installato / disinstallato qualcosa?

Che versione di Ubuntu usi? Hai aggiornato il giorno precedente al difetto? Hai eseguito un avanzamento di versione o è un installazione pulita?

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: giovedì 21 ottobre 2010, 7:53
da danialbi77
giulianom89 ha scritto: mah non sò prova a reinstallare synaptic
gia provato,ma niente....

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: giovedì 21 ottobre 2010, 10:40
da vaillant
danialbi77 ha scritto:
giulianom89 ha scritto: mah non sò prova a reinstallare synaptic
gia provato,ma niente....
Hai eliminato anche i file di configurazione? Dai messaggi di errore del terminale sembra che il problema stia nell'interfaccia grafica (noto la voce ripetuta "libglade"); quando lo avvii da terminale è perfettamente identico oppure noti qualche differenza (graficamente)?

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: giovedì 21 ottobre 2010, 14:52
da il_muflone
avvialo con gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic
e riporta i messaggi che ottieni

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: giovedì 11 novembre 2010, 8:18
da danialbi77
chiedo scusa per la lunga assenza.....

allora, praticamente quando avvio il pc e cerco di far partire synaptic da un menu non si avvia, si vede che lo carica ,ma al momento di apparire si ha uno sfarfallio del monitr ma poi non parte....

se lo avvio da terminale parte!
se do nel terminale il comando suggerito da muflone synaptic parte tranquillamente , e poi mi funziona anche il menu come se non avesse nessun problema.....questo vale per tutta la durata della sessione, ma al riavvio del pc ci risiamo.....

muflone eccoti il comando:

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daniele@aspiree380-desktop ~ $ gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Read Markings...'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Save Markings'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Save Markings _As...'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Quit'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Undo'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Redo'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Search...'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Reload Package Information'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Add CD-ROM...'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Mark All Upgrades...'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'A_pply Marked Changes'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'U_nmark'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Installation'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for R_einstallation'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Upgrade'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Removal'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for Co_mplete Removal'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Properties'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Filters'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Contents'

(synaptic:5823): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_About'

(synaptic:5823): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tool_item_set_tooltip: assertion `GTK_IS_TOOL_ITEM (tool_item)' failed

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: giovedì 11 novembre 2010, 15:32
da il_muflone
posta qui

grep -i synaptic /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
grep -i synaptic $HOME/.local/share/applications/*.desktop

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: venerdì 12 novembre 2010, 10:15
da danialbi77
ok muflone , ho delle nuove info....
praticamente mi sono accorto (credo) che il gestore pacchetti all'avvio del pc ,provando a lanciarlo da menu funziona regolarmente......
poi se apro altri programmi  e poi riprovo ad avviare synaptic ecco che allora non funziona e ,dopo lo sfarfallio del monitor mi da questo strano messaggio:

Immagine

ed ora ti do il risultato dei due comandi che mi avevi chiesto, eccoti il primo:

Codice: Seleziona tutto

daniele@aspiree380-desktop ~ $ grep -i synaptic /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name=Synaptic Package Manager
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ar]=مدير الحزم Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[be]=Кіраўнік пакетаў Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[be@latin]=Kiraŭnik pakunkaŭ Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[bg]=Мениджър на пакети (Synaptic)
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[br]=Merour pakadoù Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ca]=Gestor de paquets Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[cs]=Správce balíků Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[da]=Synaptic - pakkehåndtering
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[de]=Synaptic-Paketverwaltung
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[el]=Synaptic Package Manager
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[es]=Gestor de Paquetes Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[et]=Synaptic paketihaldur
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[eu]=Synaptic pakete-kudeatzailea
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[fi]=Synaptic-pakettienhallinta
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[fr]=Gestionnaire de paquets Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[gl]=Xestor de paquetes Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[he]=מנהל החבילות Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[hu]=Synaptic csomagkezelő
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ja]=Synaptic パッケージマネージャ
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[lt]=Paketų tvarkyklė Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[nl]=Synaptic pakketbeheer
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[no]=Synaptic Pakkeadministrasjon
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[pl]=Synaptic Menedżer Pakietów
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[pt]=Gestor de Pacotes Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[pt_BR]=Gerenciador de Pacotes Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ro]=Administratorul de pachete Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ru]=Программа управления пакетами Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sk]=Správca balíkov Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sl]=Upravljalnik paketov Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sr]=Управник пакета „Synaptic“
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sr@Latn]=Upravnik paketa „Synaptic“
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sv]=Pakethanteraren Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[th]=เครื่องมือจัดการแพกเกจ Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name=Synaptic Paket Yöneticisi
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[uk]=Менеджер пакунків Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[xh]=UMlawuli woMqulu we-Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[zh_TW]=Synaptic 套件管理程式
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Icon=synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name=Synaptic Package Manager
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[ar]=مدير الحزم Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[be]=Кіраўнік пакетаў Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[be@latin]=Kiraŭnik pakunkaŭ Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[bg]=Мениджър на пакети (Synaptic)
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[br]=Merour pakadoù Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[ca]=Gestor de paquets Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[cs]=Správce balíků Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[da]=Synaptic - pakkehåndtering
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[de]=Synaptic-Paketverwaltung
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[el]=Synaptic Package Manager
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[es]=Gestor de Paquetes Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[et]=Synaptic paketihaldur
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[eu]=Synaptic pakete-kudeatzailea
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[fi]=Synaptic-pakettienhallinta
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[fr]=Gestionnaire de paquets Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[gl]=Xestor de paquetes Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[he]=מנהל החבילות Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[hu]=Synaptic csomagkezelő
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[ja]=Synaptic パッケージマネージャ
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[lt]=Paketų tvarkyklė Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[nl]=Synaptic pakketbeheer
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[no]=Synaptic Pakkeadministrasjon
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[pl]=Synaptic Menedżer Pakietów
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[pt]=Gestor de Pacotes Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[pt_BR]=Gerenciador de Pacotes Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[ro]=Administratorul de pachete Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[ru]=Программа управления пакетами Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[sk]=Správca balíkov Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[sl]=Upravljalnik paketov Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[sr]=Управник пакета „Synaptic“
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[sr@Latn]=Upravnik paketa „Synaptic“
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[sv]=Pakethanteraren Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[th]=เครื่องมือจัดการแพกเกจ Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name=Synaptic Paket Yöneticisi
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[uk]=Менеджер пакунків Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[xh]=UMlawuli woMqulu we-Synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Name[zh_TW]=Synaptic 套件管理程式
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Exec=synaptic
/usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop:Icon=synaptic
ed eccoti il secondo:

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daniele@aspiree380-desktop ~ $ grep -i synaptic $HOME/.local/share/applications/*.desktop
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name=Synaptic Package Manager
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ar]=مدير الحزم Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[be]=Кіраўнік пакетаў Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[be@latin]=Kiraŭnik pakunkaŭ Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[bg]=Мениджър на пакети (Synaptic)
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[br]=Merour pakadoù Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ca]=Gestor de paquets Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[cs]=Správce balíků Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[da]=Synaptic - pakkehåndtering
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[de]=Synaptic-Paketverwaltung
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[el]=Synaptic Package Manager
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[es]=Gestor de Paquetes Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[et]=Synaptic paketihaldur
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[eu]=Synaptic pakete-kudeatzailea
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[fi]=Synaptic-pakettienhallinta
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[fr]=Gestionnaire de paquets Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[gl]=Xestor de paquetes Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[he]=מנהל החבילות Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[hu]=Synaptic csomagkezelő
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ja]=Synaptic パッケージマネージャ
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[lt]=Paketų tvarkyklė Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[nl]=Synaptic pakketbeheer
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[no]=Synaptic Pakkeadministrasjon
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[pl]=Synaptic Menedżer Pakietów
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[pt]=Gestor de Pacotes Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[pt_BR]=Gerenciador de Pacotes Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ro]=Administratorul de pachete Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[ru]=Программа управления пакетами Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sk]=Správca balíkov Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sl]=Upravljalnik paketov Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sr]=Управник пакета „Synaptic“
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sr@Latn]=Upravnik paketa „Synaptic“
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[sv]=Pakethanteraren Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[th]=เครื่องมือจัดการแพกเกจ Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name=Synaptic Paket Yöneticisi
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[uk]=Менеджер пакунків Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[xh]=UMlawuli woMqulu we-Synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Name[zh_TW]=Synaptic 套件管理程式
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic
/home/daniele/.local/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Icon=synapti
ti ringrazio per l'interessamento....

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 12:33
da il_muflone
quando il programma non si apre piu`, se lo avvii da terminale invece parte?

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 13:33
da danialbi77
si,parte tranquillamente....

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 13:35
da il_muflone
fai la stessa prova con
su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 13:40
da danialbi77
ho provato adesso ,in un momento in cui synaptic lanciato da menu' non parte, a dare quel comando nel terminale, e synaptic e' partito....
e questo e' il messaggio del terminale:

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daniele@aspiree380-desktop ~ $ su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Read Markings...'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Save Markings'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Save Markings _As...'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Quit'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Undo'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Redo'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Search...'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Reload Package Information'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Add CD-ROM...'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Mark All Upgrades...'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'A_pply Marked Changes'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'U_nmark'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Installation'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for R_einstallation'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Upgrade'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for _Removal'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id 'Mark for Co_mplete Removal'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Properties'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Filters'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_Contents'

(synaptic:3363): libglade-WARNING **: could not look up stock id '_About'

(synaptic:3363): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tool_item_set_tooltip: assertion `GTK_IS_TOOL_ITEM (tool_item)' failed

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 13:41
da il_muflone
inizia a rimettere il tema predefinito e riprova.

inoltre il menu che usi e` quello di gnome-panel o altro?

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 13:47
da danialbi77
premesso che uso mint....

il tema che avevo era mint-x
ora rimettendo (ad esempio shiki) un tema predefinito synaptic parte regolarmente....

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 13:48
da il_muflone
anche se non hai risposto presumo che la risposta alla seconda domanda sia un no.

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 13:51
da danialbi77
si scusa davo per scontato che su mint si usasse il mint-menu....mia dimenticanza, pardon

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: sabato 13 novembre 2010, 13:52
da il_muflone
ok, verifica se continua a funzionare col tema shiki

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: domenica 14 novembre 2010, 1:50
da danialbi77
muflone anche con il tema shiki mi da lo stesso problema.....bohhh

Re: synaptic si avvia solo da terminale

Inviato: domenica 14 novembre 2010, 9:32
da il_muflone
esegui da terminale  e spiega bene cosa succede
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