Hardy su Sony Vaio PCG-FR102 - Problema freezes randomici

[mous16]

Premessa: sulla medesima macchina ho usato le live degli *buntu 7.04, e ho installato Ubuntu a linea di comando 7.10, il tutto senza problemi od intoppi.

Configurazione hardware saliente:
CPU: Mobile AMD Athlon XP 2000+
RAM: 256 MB
Video: nVidia GeForce 420 G0

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    description: Notebook
    product: PCG-FR102(IT)
    vendor: Sony Corporation
    version: 01
    serial: 28119055-5180844
    width: 32 bits
    capabilities: smbios-2.31 dmi-2.31
    configuration: boot=normal chassis=notebook uuid=6BE37C20-BCC6-11D5-854D-0800469611CD
  *-core
       description: Motherboard
       product: Q51-Project
       vendor: Sony Corporation
       physical id: 0
       version: 01
       serial: 12345678-12345678
     *-firmware
          description: BIOS
          vendor: Phoenix Technologies LTD
          physical id: 0
          version: R0112K6 (09/25/2003)
          size: 111KB
          capacity: 448KB
          capabilities: pci pcmcia pnp upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int9keyboard int17printer int10video acpi usb agp smartbattery biosbootspecification netboot
     *-cpu
          description: CPU
          product: mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
          vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
          physical id: 4
          bus info: cpu@0
          version: 6.8.1
          serial: N/A
          slot: Socket A
          size: 1667MHz
          capacity: 1667MHz
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 133MHz
          capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up ts fid vid
        *-cache:0
             description: L1 cache
             physical id: 7
             slot: L1 Cache
             size: 128KB
             capabilities: asynchronous internal write-back
        *-cache:1
             description: L2 cache
             physical id: 8
             slot: L2 Cache
             size: 256KB
             capacity: 512KB
             capabilities: synchronous external write-through
     *-memory
          description: System Memory
          physical id: c
          slot: System board or motherboard
          size: 256MB
        *-bank:0
             description: SODIMM DDR 133 MHz (7.5 ns)
             product: N/A
             vendor: N/A
             physical id: 0
             serial: N/A
             slot: SODIMM1
             size: 256MB
             width: 32 bits
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        *-bank:1
             description: SODIMM 133 MHz (7.5 ns) [empty]
             product: N/A
             vendor: N/A
             physical id: 1
             serial: N/A
             slot: SODIMM2
             clock: 133MHz (7.5ns)
     *-generic UNCLAIMED
          physical id: 11
          bus info: parisc@11
        *-generic:0 UNCLAIMED
             physical id: 1
             bus info: parisc@1
        *-generic:1 UNCLAIMED
             physical id: 2
             bus info: parisc@2
        *-generic:2 UNCLAIMED
             physical id: 3
             bus info: parisc@3
     *-pci
          description: Host bridge
          product: VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333]
          vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
          physical id: 100
          bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 66MHz
          configuration: driver=agpgart-via module=via_agp
        *-pci
             description: PCI bridge
             product: VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333 AGP]
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
             version: 00
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: pci pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
           *-display
                description: VGA compatible controller
                product: NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go]
                vendor: nVidia Corporation
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                version: a3
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 66MHz
                capabilities: pm agp agp-2.0 vga bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=nvidia latency=248 maxlatency=1 mingnt=5 module=nvidia
        *-network
             description: Ethernet interface
             product: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
             vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
             physical id: c
             bus info: pci@0000:00:0c.0
             logical name: eth0
             version: 10
             serial: 08:00:46:96:11:cd
             size: 100MB/s
             capacity: 100MB/s
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
             configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=8139too driverversion=0.9.28 duplex=full ip=192.168.1.200 latency=64 link=yes maxlatency=64 mingnt=32 module=8139too multicast=yes port=MII speed=100MB/s
        *-pcmcia:0
             description: CardBus bridge
             product: RL5c476 II
             vendor: Ricoh Co Ltd
             physical id: e
             bus info: pci@0000:00:0e.0
             version: aa
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pcmcia bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=yenta_cardbus latency=176 maxlatency=5 mingnt=128 module=yenta_socket
             resources: iomemory:b00502000-b00501fff
        *-pcmcia:1
             description: CardBus bridge
             product: RL5c476 II
             vendor: Ricoh Co Ltd
             physical id: e.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:0e.1
             version: aa
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pcmcia bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=yenta_cardbus latency=176 maxlatency=5 mingnt=128 module=yenta_socket
             resources: iomemory:b00906000-b00905fff
        *-firewire
             description: FireWire (IEEE 1394)
             product: R5C552 IEEE 1394 Controller
             vendor: Ricoh Co Ltd
             physical id: e.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:0e.2
             version: 02
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm ohci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ohci1394 latency=32 maxlatency=4 mingnt=2 module=ohci1394
        *-usb:0
             description: USB Controller
             product: VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 10
             bus info: pci@0000:00:10.0
             version: 80
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm uhci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=64 module=uhci_hcd
        *-usb:1
             description: USB Controller
             product: VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 10.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:10.1
             version: 80
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm uhci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=64 module=uhci_hcd
        *-usb:2
             description: USB Controller
             product: VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 10.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:10.2
             version: 80
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm uhci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=64 module=uhci_hcd
        *-usb:3
             description: USB Controller
             product: USB 2.0
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 10.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:10.3
             version: 82
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm ehci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=64 module=ehci_hcd
        *-isa
             description: ISA bridge
             product: VT8235 ISA Bridge
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 11
             bus info: pci@0000:00:11.0
             version: 00
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: isa pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: latency=0
        *-ide
             description: IDE interface
             product: VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 11.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:11.1
             version: 06
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: ide pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=VIA_IDE latency=0 module=via82cxxx
           *-ide:0
                description: IDE Channel 0
                physical id: 0
                bus info: ide@0
                logical name: ide0
                clock: 33MHz
              *-disk
                   description: ATA Disk
                   product: FUJITSU MHS2030AT
                   vendor: Fujitsu
                   physical id: 0
                   bus info: ide@0.0
                   logical name: /dev/hda
                   version: 8004
                   serial: NL61T3113FV3
                   size: 27GB
                   capacity: 27GB
                   capabilities: ata dma lba iordy smart security pm apm partitioned partitioned:dos
                   configuration: apm=off mode=udma5 smart=on
                 *-volume:0
                      description: Linux filesystem partition
                      physical id: 1
                      bus info: ide@0.0,1
                      logical name: /dev/hda1
                      capacity: 9538MB
                      capabilities: primary
                 *-volume:1
                      description: Linux filesystem partition
                      physical id: 2
                      bus info: ide@0.0,2
                      logical name: /dev/hda2
                      capacity: 9538MB
                      capabilities: primary bootable
                 *-volume:2
                      description: Linux swap / Solaris partition
                      physical id: 3
                      bus info: ide@0.0,3
                      logical name: /dev/hda3
                      capacity: 956MB
                      capabilities: primary nofs
                 *-volume:3
                      description: W95 FAT32 partition
                      physical id: 4
                      bus info: ide@0.0,4
                      logical name: /dev/hda4
                      capacity: 8581MB
                      capabilities: primary
           *-ide:1
                description: IDE Channel 1
                physical id: 1
                bus info: ide@1
                logical name: ide1
                clock: 33MHz
              *-cdrom
                   description: DVD reader
                   product: SONY CD-RW/DVD-ROM CRX810E
                   physical id: 0
                   bus info: ide@1.0
                   logical name: /dev/hdc
                   version: 1.5a
                   capabilities: packet atapi cdrom removable nonmagnetic dma lba iordy audio cd-r cd-rw dvd
                   configuration: mode=udma0 status=ready
                 *-disc
                      physical id: 0
                      logical name: /dev/hdc
        *-multimedia
             description: Multimedia audio controller
             product: VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 11.5
             bus info: pci@0000:00:11.5
             version: 50
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm cap_list
             configuration: driver=VIA 82xx Audio latency=0 module=snd_via82xx
        *-communication
             description: Communication controller
             product: AC'97 Modem Controller
             vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
             physical id: 11.6
             bus info: pci@0000:00:11.6
             version: 80
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm cap_list
             configuration: driver=VIA 82xx Modem latency=0 module=snd_via82xx_modem

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00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333]
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333 AGP]
00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
00:0e.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev aa)
00:0e.1 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev aa)
00:0e.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C552 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 02)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 82)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ISA Bridge
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 80)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go] (rev a3)

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Disco /dev/hda: 30.0 GB, 30005821440 byte
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3648 cylinders
Units = cilindri of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xda3c32c

Dispositivo Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1               1        1216     9767488+  83  Linux
/dev/hda2   *        1217        2432     9767520   83  Linux
/dev/hda3            2433        2554      979965   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/hda4            2555        3648     8787555    b  W95 FAT32

Questa nuova installazione di ubuntu la vorrei infilare in hda1

E ora veniamo ai fattacci: provando ad installare Hardy a riga di comando col dvd, freeza (non risponde più nemmeno il bloc maiusc) di solito mentre cerca libopenssl. Usando il cd alternate, freeza (come sopra) in un momento qualsiasi durante l'installazione del sistema di base. Usando il live cd, sia dicendo di avviare con in modalità grafica sicura che non, sia per installare che per provare, arriva a darmi il puntatore, e poi si pianta.

Qualcuno ha qualche idea?

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Aggiornamento: sono riuscito bene o male a metterci un sistema avviabile, solo che il problema persiste: di tanto in tanto freeza senza motivo.. in un primo momento pensavo fosse dovuto all'utilizzo di synaptic, ma due minuti fa sono stato smentito... Help per favore, perchè così è davvero spiacevole da usare...

[Franto]

stesso problema 

[mous16]

stesso modello di sony?
Perchè quelli con un problema analogo sono molti, ma con molti pc diversi.

Dopo qualche prova ho ristretto i campi delle cause a
1) Kernel
2) Server grafico
3) Demone del gestore di rete

[Franto]

stesso modello di sony?
Perchè quelli con un problema analogo sono molti, ma con molti pc diversi.

no hai ragione scusa...
poratile marca nevada

cpu: intel duo
ram 2 GB
scheda video intel integrata
disco da 120 Gb

lettore di schede ssd integrato.......

ma forse come si legge su questa pagina si intravede uno spiraglio ( http://www.aldolat.it/sistema/hardy-e-i ... a-risolto/ )

per caso anche tu mous16 hai una lettore di schede ssd??
io proverei a fare da cavia, se mi guidate nel come si fa, provo a disabilitare il lettore di schede ssd!

[mous16]

no, niente lettore di schede... all'epoca della costruzione di quel portatile non erano molto diffuse

[da_norf]

Hi, there !

First : excuse me for speaking english, but Italian is an unknown territory for me...  :-\

I want to write here, cause I have the same computer : Sony PCG-FR102 but in a french flavour (as, basically, I'm French)(nobody's perfect...  )
I use another Linux distro (Fedora) but I think I have (perhaps) the same problem you have : "pseudo-random" freeze.
For me the problem appeared after I had installed Fedora 7 (and is still there with Fedora 8 and 9). With previous distro (Fedora Core 6, 5, 4) I never had such freezes.

As far as I can see (and say), the computer freezes when on heavy disk (or CD-Rom) access and trying to make another bus access (mouse, display, ...). The heavy disk access is likely a constant when computer freeze but is not suffisant to make it freeze.

For exemple :
-Playing a CD without graphical visualization never freezes the computer but enabling graphical visualization makes the pc unstable.
-Opening Firefox (or any other app) when updating packages can make the pc freeze.
-Installing Fedora 7, 8 or 9 from CDs/DVDs either in graphical or non graphical mode freeze before the end
-Ripping music from any audio-CD freeze before the end.

... and so on...

I first thought that it was a problem with the kernel ide drivers used in Fedora : in this distro, "pata_via" has replaced "VIA_IDE" since F7. But I can't manage to make tests. Furthermore Ubuntu still uses VIA_IDE (as stated in the ide section of your lshw print) and you seem to have the same "freeze" problem.

Another possibility is that it could be a problem with the Apollo KT266/A/333 as this chipset was known to produce similar freeze on various OS a couple of years ago : see "PCI Latency" patch for VIA chipsets" section on this page or this one

I actualy never solved this problem myself (since more than 1 year) in any other way than "doing only one thing at a time on my laptop and live with some few remaining freezes" as I don't have suffisant technical skills to go further and untill this day I have felt myself a little bit alone on this problem...

But if we really have the same bug, if this bug is hardware related and cross-distro, this could be a good opportunity to get definitively rid of it.

If interested, i'll post my own lshw in order to compare kernel modules used in each distro.

Regards.

[mous16]

Hi da_norf,
I never used Fedora on this notebook, but with the previous versions of Ubuntu I hadn't any freeze.

As far as I can see (and say), the computer freezes when on heavy disk (or CD-Rom) access and trying to make another bus access (mouse, display, ...). The heavy disk access is likely a constant when computer freeze but is not suffisant to make it freeze.

This could be true! I've also hypothesized a relation with the massive access to the ram, but it's only an idea.


Per tutti gli altri, mi scuso se ho scritto in una lingua diversa da quella ufficiale del forum, e facendo riferimento ad altre distribuzioni, però credo che la situazione lo richieda ;-)

[da_norf]

This could be true! I've also hypothesized a relation with the massive access to the ram, but it's only an idea.

I also post a similar message in this thread I found. Perhaps an interesting reading for the futur...

[da_norf]

I apologize for the double post, but : is the lshw print you copy on your first post is obtained from Ubuntu 7.10 or from Ubuntu 8.04 ?

As far as I've read, it seems to me that, like Fedora 7 and the following versions, Ubuntu 8.04 makes use of "pata_via" instead of "VIA_IDE"

I've found this bug report which seems to lead to a solution for Ubuntu 8.04. Perhaps, it's worth a try...